Sunday, April 30, 2006

Shudder. Double Shudder.

Romania Legalizes Witchcraft.

Mikhail Gorbachev of Green Cross Intl. Addresses the World Council of Churches.

(The Antiochians led the way on getting out of the NCC. What can we do to extricate ourselves from the WCC?)


Blogger Eric John said...

The Romanian Orthodox Patriarch could not be reached for comment. Aides said that when he was informed of the news, the Patriarch flung up his arms and said, "Lord, where did you find these people? And why did you send them to me?"

2:28 PM  
Blogger Aristibule said...

Of course, the Romanian government isn't Orthodox. They did have a Revolution - but, still a secular government in a country that was never wholly Orthodox (though they are a majority now.) However, lack of resources means poor catechism - though we don't know what part if any that played, and ... 'majority rules' and 'will of the people' is not a fact even of present Romanian government.

9:41 PM  
Blogger Ille said...

"country that was never wholly Orthodox"
87% of the current Romanian population is Eastern Orthodox.With the Romanians living abroad there are about 22 million Romanian speaking Orthodox, making it the second largest Autocephalous Orthodox Church, after the Russian Church.
The Romanians have always been Orthodox (some Greek-Catholics would however, contend that they have only been Orthodox since the ninth century, when the Slavs supposedly severed their jurisdictional ties with the Church of Rome)and only during the late seventeenth-early eighteenth century a Romanian Uniate Church emerged, in Transylvania, then part of the Habsburg Empire.
The Romanian Orthodox Church has recently (the last 16 years)known a spectaculous flourishing. It is the
Orthodox country that has the largest monastic population (even more than Russia), the most numerous clergy, and hundreds of new churches and monasteries being built.
However, at least in the English speaking world the Romanian Orthodoxy is not very well known. It's missionary activity has been centred mainly on Western Europe and particularly in France.

11:56 PM  
Blogger Aristibule said...

My point exactly - never fully Orthodox. There have always been Roma Vlachs (who are not all converted), and Roman Catholics, etc. And, to be precise - Romania is something much newer than the states of Wallachia, Moldavia, etc. Also - Muslims, Jews, etc. 13% is still pretty high.

No need for knee jerk reactions - I'm pro-Romanian. But the reality is - they passed the law, and there is nothing sacred about the present Romanian government. However, given that the Orthodox are the majority (as I said) if they really had a working democracy, I doubt that law would have passed (or would stand.)

2:52 PM  
Blogger Ille said...

Christ is risen!
Well, could you point out a country that has been "fully-i.e.100%-Orthodox? I don't think so, although the Greeks might come closer to it. But as for Russia, the percentage must be much lower than in Romania.
As for the Gypsies they are mostly Orthodox, except for those living in the Hungarian populated areas, that are either Roman-Catholic or Reformed.
But officialy, there are no heathen Gypsies, although a good deal of superstitions is still practiced among them.
As for the Jewish community, although considerable in size before WWII, it is almost imperceptible today (about 10-15.000 people).
The Muslim population keeps an even lower profile, being present anly in the south-easternmost extremity of Romania, between the Black Sea and the Bulgarian border.
The Roman Catholics of Romania are mostly Hungarian ethnics; The Romanian ethnics were all Orthodox up until recently, when some of them
accepted the "Unia". But nowadays, the Greek-Catholic Church is more of a shadow of what it was before 1948, with less than 300.000 faithful. Most of them, even if brought in the ROC almost by deceit and rather unwillingly, in 1948, have however chosen to remain Orthodox even after 1990.
But I do agree with you that there is nothing holy about the Romanian government. Nobody has ever claimed such a thing.
Although Orthodox in such a high percentage, I am pretty sure that most people there don't even care about this law, and it would have passed anyway. Orthodox people are not so easy to mobilize under a common banner or so passionate about their faith as the American Evangelicals-the Southern Baptist especially-are.
Worse laws have passed almost unnoticed, unfortunately.
And a few words about that article.
The last paragraph of it (the one talking about Dracula) is completely innaccurate. Romanian peasants, although adhering to all sorts of superstitions, yet they know nothing about Count Dracula (unless they have seen the movie). This is a Western litterary myth. Romanian mythology is still much more interesting and richer than Count Dracula's legend.

7:24 PM  
Blogger Eric John said...

Romania-Moldova gave us Elder Cleopa. We should thank them by learning Romanian and translating Orthodox materials into English. Actually, why not just learn Romanian because it is one of the world's most beautiful languages. I wish I had that option at school. I'd gladly give up a difficult, yet common, language like Russian to learn equally difficult yet interesting languages like Romanian and Georgian. After all, everyone goes to Russia.

11:02 PM  

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